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3-21-2004 @ 11:32:02 AM
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1. Bush 68% of criteria met.
Well no shit. I coulda told you that... |
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3-21-2004 @ 03:00:56 PM
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| Kerry ... 66% of criteria met. |
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3-21-2004 @ 03:13:42 PM
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Bush 51%
Kerry 48%
Time to vote 3rd-party. |
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3-21-2004 @ 04:49:12 PM
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I don't really care for any of them
1 Kucinich Score: 51%
2 Kerry Score: 49%
3 Sharpton Score: 40%
4 Bush Score: 38%
edit:bush is so low becuse of the patriot act
[Edited by solid_snake on 3-21-2004 @ 04:51:22 PM] |
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3-22-2004 @ 04:37:49 PM
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Bush - 75% met
#4 - I hope you're aware of the necessity for a warrant AND suspicion of terroristic activity in order to use the searches allowed under the Patriot Act. Most people are ignorant to those facts and oppose it because they think the government can look at their library/reading records for no reason at all. |
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3-22-2004 @ 05:45:54 PM
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By: solid_snake |
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| the patriot act does not apply only to suspected terrorists |
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3-22-2004 @ 06:10:33 PM
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By: solid_snake |
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"the FBI needs only to certify to a FISA judge—(no need for evidence or probable cause) that the search protects against terrorism. The judge has no authority to reject this application. DOJ calls this "seeking a court order," but it's much closer to a rubber stamp. Also, now the target of a search needn't be a terror suspect herself, so long as the government's purpose is "an authorized investigation ... to protect against international terrorism.""
http://slate.msn.com/id/2087984/
I was unable to locate the interview with the author of the patriot act that I read a week or so ago, but it was on wired if you care to look. |
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3-22-2004 @ 08:07:33 PM
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By: Lemming |
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| The country would still be better off if it hadn't been passed. I honestly don't care if the Patriot Act has helped prevent terrorist acts, or slowed down terrorist activity; it still sets a precedent for a level of search and seizure that had previously been considered unconscionable, and I don't think we'll ever get those rights back. In a way, its passing represented a moral victory for those that would seek to destroy the American way of life. |
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3-22-2004 @ 10:11:52 PM
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By: Lebo |
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| Kerry 91%, Bush 15% ha! |
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3-23-2004 @ 09:02:15 AM
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By: mr_mcmunkee |
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| #8, Freedom has never been "free". If you want your children and grandchildren to live in something that resembles the America we've known instead of something that resembles Israel/Palestine/random Middle East nation...then we must make SOME sacrifices to protect ourselves. Too many Americans are selfish and only think of themselves and only think of what they're getting from the government today. God forbid we make sacrifices or fight for our way of life. |
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3-23-2004 @ 09:26:46 AM
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By: Lemming |
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It's not a matter of making sacrifices to fight for our way of life. Once certain fundamental liberties are taken away, it is unlikely that they will be given back. 10 years from now, and perhaps further down the road, I am willing to bet that the types and scope of searches allowed under the Patriot Act will not only still be permitted, but will probably be allowed in the investigation of a wider set of crimes.
I admit that we had 3,000 people die in one day, and that we've had more people killed abroad. THAT is the cost of freedom. The way we reacted to it, however, is another attack on our fundamental rights. |
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3-23-2004 @ 09:31:57 AM
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By: Lemming |
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This is just a summary of indeterminite veracity, but it does sort of sum up the ways in which the federal government's power has been expanded.
http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RS21203.pdf
I especially like the way that voicemail is now subject to the same (lower) standard of privacy that e-mail is, rather than the same level of privacy as phone communications. This gives the government expanded rights to, say, snoop in on messages people have left for your cell phone. |
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3-23-2004 @ 12:29:09 PM
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By: solid_snake |
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin |
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3-25-2004 @ 10:23:20 PM
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By: Obsidian |
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| #13, punchbaby.com you cheap ass! |
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